relatively minor cost savings and a little bit of extra taxation, and on balance, the health reform bill is actually going to reduce the budget deficit, not increase it. and it's not going to lead to huge burs on the public. that's going to be very much at stake. if obama is re-elected and this thing survives and america finally joins the community of civilized nation that provides some sort of health insurance to all their citizens, and if he loses, then it gets killed. >> commenting on things with which we're out of tune with the rest of the advanced industrial countries sarkozy, came to columbia and gave a talk, and at the time that the healthcare bill was under discussion, and one of the students asked him to comment. he said i don't want to met until your -- meddle in your affairs, but -- and then he says, i don't understand it in france we take it as a basic right, a human right, that you should have access to health care. no matter what your income level is. so, for us, we just don't -- this is the question of the right and the left. this is basic human rights. and he just couldn'